Nachdenkliches zu 9/11
Was ich dazu (die älteren Postings schon kurz nach 11/9 - wie weiß ich nicht mehr) noch gefunden habe, ohne Kommentar:
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http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/573168/6/#ID573168
Posted Thu Sep 13 2001 16:12:52 UTC+2 and read 1781 times:
Remember the guy who posted this:
When the two towers that make up the World Trade Center were built, they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest airliner of the day, the Boeing 707 Intercontinental. The Empire State Building survived a B-25 medium bomber crashing into it on very foggy day. It was during the weekend when most people weren't there, but still, 14 people died.
Anyone wanna bet that the World Trade Center could survive an 767-300 impact?
He also posted this:
I love flight sims! Where else can you try to takeoff in a fully loaded (and I mean a pair of 2,000 lbs. bombs, a 700 gal fuel tank, 4 AMRAAMS, and a pair of Sidewinders) F-16 at 100% power, no flaps, and overrotate, so that unless you put the nose down and let airspeed build, you plow into a building after you run off the runway with the a/c sticking it's pointy nose in the air. The F-22'll do that too, but you have to put on full flaps, because it's engines each generate 35,000 lbs. of thrust (although that's with afterburners). The F-22 is the ultimate conjecture b/c performance data isn't even available.
I love flying the 777, skimming over the city at 50 ft. above the buildings at 400 knots.
I guess the FBI has already knocked on his door by now!
Iain
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MD-90 Posted Thu Nov 30 2000 04:39:15 UTC+2 and read 181068 times:
When the two towers that make up the World Trade Center were built, they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest airliner of the day, the Boeing 707 Intercontinental. The Empire State Building survived a B-25 medium bomber crashing into it on very foggy day. It was during the weekend when most people weren't there, but still, 14 people died.
Anyone wanna bet that the World Trade Center could survive an 767-300 impact?
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2401 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted Thu Nov 30 2000 08:40:45 UTC+2 and read 143592 times:
If a 707 or a 757 slammed into the World Trade Center, it might be much more damaging than the case of the B-25 bomber that crashed into the Empire State Building.
For one thing, unlike the Empire State Building, which has more heavy concrete, the World Trade Center is made more of steel and glass - this may mean far greater structural damage due to the impact and flying glass shards and debris raining down on the people below. There could be a possibility of toppling if the 707 or the 757 came in at a high enough speed. Both of these planes are larger and heavier than a B-25 bomber, so this means a greater force of impact. I'm no expert on building structure or air crashes, but it would no doubt be far worse than the Empire State Building disaster.
It is very doubtful any passengers or crew would have survived such a grim scenario. Also, there are probably more people per floor in the World Trade Center compared to the Empire State Building, so casualties in the building will likely be much higher.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if the authorities would have a strict exclusion zone preventing any large airplanes, especially commercial airliners, from getting too close to Manhattan, so that there would be no repeat of the Empire State Building crash.
Other large buildings have been crashed into by large airliners, like the El Al 747-200F that crashed into an apartment complex in Amsterdam several years ago.
There was a small Cessna plane that crashed into a hospital in Edmonton, the city where I live. This was in the early 1980s, and did prompt fears about larger planes crashing right in the middle of Edmonton. The hospital sits right underneath the approach path to the City Centre Airport. It was quoted in the news by a member of the city council that "one day a 737 will slam into the hospital, and that will be it".
Edmonton City Centre Airport (formerly the Municipal Airport) did used to have quite a few 737s and BAe 146s flying in and out of there until 1995, when it was closed to most scheduled flights. This airport sits only a few kilometres north of downtown Edmonton, so it is well within the built up areas.
There are risks when you have an airport like Kai Tak(now closed) or Love Field in Dallas, TX served by larger airliners the size of a 737 or larger and sitting well within an urban area. Believe me, it's amazing that Kai Tak has never had a disaster like that, considering that Hong Kong has so many skyscrapers so near the airport - and that Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated cities in the world.
An-225 From United States, joined Sep 2000, 3873 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted Fri Dec 1 2000 02:43:00 UTC+2 and read 133216 times:
Well, let's see. December 1997 - An-124-100 crashes on top of a building on take-off. July 25, 2000 - Concorde slams into a hotel. See the consequences and think for yourself.
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Demoose From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2001, 1840 posts, RR: 26
Posted Wed Sep 12 2001 22:59:10 UTC+2 and read 15794 times:
Hi, I read this on a reply to a previous post and found it shocking reading. Its just too unbelievable that this tragedy did actually happen.
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DEM
England's Hearts are with you.
LN-MOW From United States, joined Jan 2000, 1520 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted Wed Sep 12 2001 23:38:37 UTC+2 and read 14294 times:
Looks like this guy dropped out of the forum in July. He only has one posting after that.
Does anyone KNOW this person?
I Like To Fly From United States, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 00:16:25 UTC+2 and read 13991 times:
I am not confident enough to say anything... but here is a link to notify the FBI if you so choose. I don't know what to think!
https://www.ifccfbi.gov/complaint/terrorist.asp
Spinkid From United States, joined Jul 2001, 695 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 01:53:15 UTC+2 and read 13666 times:
I'm glad someone said something
In his follow up post MD-90 asks what the smallest size plane one thinks wouldn't be able to bring down the towers. Perhaps they were trying to gauge how big of a plane they needed to get to carry this out
His profile says he is a student.
It's all very eerie under any circumstances
SSTjumbo From United States, joined Jun 2001, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 02:06:30 UTC+2 and read 13634 times:
message to the FBI: The FBI will no doubt have been issued similar reports from other individuals by now. My Airliners.net username is "SSTjumbo" On Airliners.net, usernames "Demoose" and "B-OTCH" have brought it to my attention that username "MD-90", a.k.a. "Cliff Rybirk", stated that the World Trade Center towers in New York City, not specifically quoting, was designed to withstand the impact of a 707 jetliner. He then says, "Anyone wanna bet that the World Trade Center could survive an 767-300 impact?" The link to the site is http://www.airliners.net. The specific link is http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/336291/. I will be more than happy and willing to assist you in any way the best I can. I do not know, as with you, if this is merely coincidential or if it indeed means something. Contacting me via e-mail would be preferred, though you can contact me any way you wish. My greatest condolances are with those who perished in this henious attack, and their families. I urge you to contact me if the need does so arise. Thank you.
Mark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1446 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 04:35:10 UTC+2 and read 13391 times:
Well that MD-90 sounds kinda spooky (especially the apparent fascination with crash-related stuff), but I'm not so sure he's involved though:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/252986/
Anyway it`d sure be reassuring if he resurfaced again, his usual spooky self or not.
IB6400 From Mexico, joined Jun 1999, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 06:54:23 UTC+2 and read 13290 times:
While I was reading this post and made the link to the post a year ago, the first thing I said were some very bad words in Spanish... "No ma***s... Está cab***..." Inmediately I had goosebumps I chilled out in a matter of seconds. I couldn't believe it. I can't believe it.
When I see this coincidences makes me to live fully every second of my life. I had just heard that Ian Thorpe (Australian Star Swimmer) didn't get killed with the crashes because he noticed in his way to the WTC, he left his camera in the hotel room. Freaky!! Wow!
My condolences to families of all the deceased, My prayers are with the 11 Mexicans that were trapped in the 107 floor and the rest of the people trapped in the rests of the buildings.
For all the U.S. people... Mexico is with you.
Joaquin Crying
Mexico City
M E X I C O
Airblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1746 posts, RR: 10
Reply 43, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 10:21:11 UTC+2 and read 13131 times:
Anyone remember a member with a username like "Taleban" who wrote some stupid topic a while ago?? I try to find it with the search, but strangely I didn't find it. If someone remember his right username or something about his political answer to some topic about airlines in Israel and US, could check it and write the related link.
Sure I'm wrong, but better check, thanks
http://www.midwestbusiness.com/news/viewnews.asp?newsletterID=2956
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http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/573168/6/#ID573168
Posted Thu Sep 13 2001 16:12:52 UTC+2 and read 1781 times:
Remember the guy who posted this:
When the two towers that make up the World Trade Center were built, they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest airliner of the day, the Boeing 707 Intercontinental. The Empire State Building survived a B-25 medium bomber crashing into it on very foggy day. It was during the weekend when most people weren't there, but still, 14 people died.
Anyone wanna bet that the World Trade Center could survive an 767-300 impact?
He also posted this:
I love flight sims! Where else can you try to takeoff in a fully loaded (and I mean a pair of 2,000 lbs. bombs, a 700 gal fuel tank, 4 AMRAAMS, and a pair of Sidewinders) F-16 at 100% power, no flaps, and overrotate, so that unless you put the nose down and let airspeed build, you plow into a building after you run off the runway with the a/c sticking it's pointy nose in the air. The F-22'll do that too, but you have to put on full flaps, because it's engines each generate 35,000 lbs. of thrust (although that's with afterburners). The F-22 is the ultimate conjecture b/c performance data isn't even available.
I love flying the 777, skimming over the city at 50 ft. above the buildings at 400 knots.
I guess the FBI has already knocked on his door by now!
Iain
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http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/336291
MD-90 Posted Thu Nov 30 2000 04:39:15 UTC+2 and read 181068 times:
When the two towers that make up the World Trade Center were built, they were designed to withstand the impact of the largest airliner of the day, the Boeing 707 Intercontinental. The Empire State Building survived a B-25 medium bomber crashing into it on very foggy day. It was during the weekend when most people weren't there, but still, 14 people died.
Anyone wanna bet that the World Trade Center could survive an 767-300 impact?
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2401 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted Thu Nov 30 2000 08:40:45 UTC+2 and read 143592 times:
If a 707 or a 757 slammed into the World Trade Center, it might be much more damaging than the case of the B-25 bomber that crashed into the Empire State Building.
For one thing, unlike the Empire State Building, which has more heavy concrete, the World Trade Center is made more of steel and glass - this may mean far greater structural damage due to the impact and flying glass shards and debris raining down on the people below. There could be a possibility of toppling if the 707 or the 757 came in at a high enough speed. Both of these planes are larger and heavier than a B-25 bomber, so this means a greater force of impact. I'm no expert on building structure or air crashes, but it would no doubt be far worse than the Empire State Building disaster.
It is very doubtful any passengers or crew would have survived such a grim scenario. Also, there are probably more people per floor in the World Trade Center compared to the Empire State Building, so casualties in the building will likely be much higher.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if the authorities would have a strict exclusion zone preventing any large airplanes, especially commercial airliners, from getting too close to Manhattan, so that there would be no repeat of the Empire State Building crash.
Other large buildings have been crashed into by large airliners, like the El Al 747-200F that crashed into an apartment complex in Amsterdam several years ago.
There was a small Cessna plane that crashed into a hospital in Edmonton, the city where I live. This was in the early 1980s, and did prompt fears about larger planes crashing right in the middle of Edmonton. The hospital sits right underneath the approach path to the City Centre Airport. It was quoted in the news by a member of the city council that "one day a 737 will slam into the hospital, and that will be it".
Edmonton City Centre Airport (formerly the Municipal Airport) did used to have quite a few 737s and BAe 146s flying in and out of there until 1995, when it was closed to most scheduled flights. This airport sits only a few kilometres north of downtown Edmonton, so it is well within the built up areas.
There are risks when you have an airport like Kai Tak(now closed) or Love Field in Dallas, TX served by larger airliners the size of a 737 or larger and sitting well within an urban area. Believe me, it's amazing that Kai Tak has never had a disaster like that, considering that Hong Kong has so many skyscrapers so near the airport - and that Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated cities in the world.
An-225 From United States, joined Sep 2000, 3873 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted Fri Dec 1 2000 02:43:00 UTC+2 and read 133216 times:
Well, let's see. December 1997 - An-124-100 crashes on top of a building on take-off. July 25, 2000 - Concorde slams into a hotel. See the consequences and think for yourself.
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http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/572565/6/#ID572565
Demoose From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2001, 1840 posts, RR: 26
Posted Wed Sep 12 2001 22:59:10 UTC+2 and read 15794 times:
Hi, I read this on a reply to a previous post and found it shocking reading. Its just too unbelievable that this tragedy did actually happen.
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http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/336291/
DEM
England's Hearts are with you.
LN-MOW From United States, joined Jan 2000, 1520 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted Wed Sep 12 2001 23:38:37 UTC+2 and read 14294 times:
Looks like this guy dropped out of the forum in July. He only has one posting after that.
Does anyone KNOW this person?
I Like To Fly From United States, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 00:16:25 UTC+2 and read 13991 times:
I am not confident enough to say anything... but here is a link to notify the FBI if you so choose. I don't know what to think!
https://www.ifccfbi.gov/complaint/terrorist.asp
Spinkid From United States, joined Jul 2001, 695 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 01:53:15 UTC+2 and read 13666 times:
I'm glad someone said something
In his follow up post MD-90 asks what the smallest size plane one thinks wouldn't be able to bring down the towers. Perhaps they were trying to gauge how big of a plane they needed to get to carry this out
His profile says he is a student.
It's all very eerie under any circumstances
SSTjumbo From United States, joined Jun 2001, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 02:06:30 UTC+2 and read 13634 times:
message to the FBI: The FBI will no doubt have been issued similar reports from other individuals by now. My Airliners.net username is "SSTjumbo" On Airliners.net, usernames "Demoose" and "B-OTCH" have brought it to my attention that username "MD-90", a.k.a. "Cliff Rybirk", stated that the World Trade Center towers in New York City, not specifically quoting, was designed to withstand the impact of a 707 jetliner. He then says, "Anyone wanna bet that the World Trade Center could survive an 767-300 impact?" The link to the site is http://www.airliners.net. The specific link is http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/336291/. I will be more than happy and willing to assist you in any way the best I can. I do not know, as with you, if this is merely coincidential or if it indeed means something. Contacting me via e-mail would be preferred, though you can contact me any way you wish. My greatest condolances are with those who perished in this henious attack, and their families. I urge you to contact me if the need does so arise. Thank you.
Mark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1446 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 04:35:10 UTC+2 and read 13391 times:
Well that MD-90 sounds kinda spooky (especially the apparent fascination with crash-related stuff), but I'm not so sure he's involved though:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/252986/
Anyway it`d sure be reassuring if he resurfaced again, his usual spooky self or not.
IB6400 From Mexico, joined Jun 1999, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 06:54:23 UTC+2 and read 13290 times:
While I was reading this post and made the link to the post a year ago, the first thing I said were some very bad words in Spanish... "No ma***s... Está cab***..." Inmediately I had goosebumps I chilled out in a matter of seconds. I couldn't believe it. I can't believe it.
When I see this coincidences makes me to live fully every second of my life. I had just heard that Ian Thorpe (Australian Star Swimmer) didn't get killed with the crashes because he noticed in his way to the WTC, he left his camera in the hotel room. Freaky!! Wow!
My condolences to families of all the deceased, My prayers are with the 11 Mexicans that were trapped in the 107 floor and the rest of the people trapped in the rests of the buildings.
For all the U.S. people... Mexico is with you.
Joaquin Crying
Mexico City
M E X I C O
Airblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1746 posts, RR: 10
Reply 43, posted Thu Sep 13 2001 10:21:11 UTC+2 and read 13131 times:
Anyone remember a member with a username like "Taleban" who wrote some stupid topic a while ago?? I try to find it with the search, but strangely I didn't find it. If someone remember his right username or something about his political answer to some topic about airlines in Israel and US, could check it and write the related link.
Sure I'm wrong, but better check, thanks
http://www.midwestbusiness.com/news/viewnews.asp?newsletterID=2956
Adrenalinpur - 11. September, 17:10
